Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Zarathustra's avatar

I recently had a friend tell a strange story about a guy at his office job at a Fortune 500. A few single women in the office complained to this guy’s boss that he doesn’t interact with them socially. He’s polite and professional in the office, and will go out for drinks with some of the guys, but won’t do the same with the women, even in mixed company. They said they are feeling discriminated against because they are women.

Apparently this guy was brought in for a talking to and he tried to understand what policy he was violating, but there is no policy requiring men at the firm to go out drinking with women. So his boss instead put some subtle pressure on him to ‘do the right thing’, the implication being the right thing was going out drinking with the single women.

Now this guy is in a position where no matter what he does he’s either risking annoying his boss or putting himself in a situation he doesn’t want to be in with work colleagues. Yet, still he refused to join the women for drinks.

These women didn’t give up. They went and complained again! Again this guy was brought in for a talking to. His boss knows full well why he’s not going out with the women but he has to pretend he has no idea and again tells him to do the right thing.

The poor guy resigned that afternoon.

So this whole story basically made no sense to me. Why were these women targeting this particular guy? Did he do something to them? Did they not like him? Trust me, when I tell you it’s all going to make sense.

The guy in question was previously a cover model for Men’s Fitness magazine. Drop dead handsome, super fit and smart as a whip, everything a single woman wants. These women wanted to get with this guy.

Our stupid society deserve an asteroid.

Expand full comment
Ben Laurense's avatar

I'm very confused as to the objective of this post.

If it is trying to decry the effects of the Mike Pence rule in wider society, it falls flat since describing #MeToo as a 'society-wide experiment forcing Pence's rule on people' seems somewhere between tenuous and wrong. You need to back this up with more than one study with incredibly limited scope.

If it is trying to describe a negative effect of #MeToo, that of damaging working relationships between men and women, it absolutely fails to convince me that:

1. The major cause of the reduced collaboration in Econ academia is #MeToo, as opposed to any other of the myriad possible cultural changes in this time

2. This one paper is ridiculously insufficient evidence for anything beyond weak claims specifically about collaboration in Econ academia

3 (the big one). That this is a problem with #MeToo, rather than a problem with Academia. If academia cannot accommodate a culture where it is *ok and accepted to avoid predatory men* without damaging women's ability to operate productively, *that feels distinctly like academia needs to change, not #MeToo culture*

(Also the religious overtones make little sense if this is the goal).

Also, the final quote: '#MeToo has made us all evangelicals, and women are the victims of that change' left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems to imply that a culture where women feel able to call out *predatory behaviour by men* is not beneficial to them, or to society. That's a very strong point, and requires justification. This post makes little attempt to grapple with this, hence the final quote feels shoehorned.

Expand full comment
5 more comments...

No posts